It is Us or Them , The Furure for America

 

It’s Us or Them

• Andrew Torba
• November , 2025

We stood in the rain and the cold for this movement. We drained our bank accounts. We volunteered, organized, and spoke up when it mattered. We lost friends and family members for showing our support. We did it for a promise. The promise was America First. The promise was to drain the swamp. To build the wall. To bring the hammer down on the globalist elite who sold our birthright for money and a pat on the head from Davos.

Let’s take a look at the scoreboard a decade later.

There have been some deportations, but not nearly enough. The “woke” poison is finally being called out by name in the highest offices of the land, but it’s certainly not eradicated. We didn’t send a manager to Washington to oversee and slow the decline. We sent a wrecking ball. Right now, it feels like the ball is swinging everywhere except where we live. The country is loaded with tens of millions of people who do not belong here. The swamp wasn’t drained; the alligators were just given new titles. The America we knew is slipping through our fingers, and the men we elected to save it are busy dealing with foreign lands.

Speaking of, let’s talk about Israel. For decades we have watched as our politicians fall over themselves to pledge allegiance to a foreign flag while our own towns decay. Bibi has been to the White House more times this year than most of our own congressional leaders. We just signed over another $13 billion dollars of our money for their defense. Meanwhile, who is defending the American family from the economic onslaught that’s making homeownership a fairy tale for an entire generation? Who is fighting back against the hordes of foreigners invading our hometowns?

We don’t care about ancient religious squabbles thousands of miles away. This is about our money. Our blood. Our priorities. A small clique of Jewish billionaire donors seems to get everything they want from both sides of the political spectrum—bombs dropped on Iran, campus speech policed, Tiktok handed over to them, billions sent to Israel—while the millions of grandmas, parents, and young people who sent what little they had to support these political campaigns are still waiting on the wall we paid for back in 2016. When is our turn?

Let’s talk about some more uncomfortable truths for a moment. The Epstein files were a litmus test of courage, and Washington failed. It was swept into the memory hole. The 2020 election? We all know it was stolen, where is the national crusade for electoral integrity that we were promised? Where is the bill to standardize voting, to make it honest and transparent? Whatever happened to DOGE? How are we making America healthy again by making the toxic Big Pharma sludge Ozempic cheaper?

What about the hundreds of thousands of demonic leftists who openly celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk without any consequences for their actions? In that moment we had the opportunity and the mandate to utterly crush the left and nothing was done. The silence is deafening, and it tells us everything we need to know.

Let me tell you why Mamdani’s message resonated. Don’t be fooled. It’s not the destitute who are listening. It’s the strivers. These are the people who played by the rules. They believed the old promise. Work hard, be loyal, keep your head down. And what did they get? A stock market soaring for the billionaires and a grocery bill that strangles what’s left of a middle-class income.

So when some pearl-clutching talking head on Fox News funded by Jewish money whines that “socialism is a threat,” these people just laugh bitterly. They sweep their arm over the wreckage of their finances, the foreign wars we endlessly fund, the politicians who care more about Tel Aviv than Tulsa, and they ask: “You really think anything could be worse than this?”

They’re not ideologues. They’re hostages. They are starving for anyone—any idea, any leader—with the guts to punch through the rotten status quo that a handful of Jewish donors built to protect themselves while the rest of us crumble. They’re done listening to the complaining of those who’ve already won everything. They want someone who speaks for the ones who are losing it all.

We are at a precipice. 2026 and 2028 will not be fought on left versus right. The battle line is now the Jewish donor class versus the American people. If your campaign whines about antisemitism and pledges fealty to a foreign nation, that is our signal. You are not on our side. We will not just withhold our vote; we will become your most determined opposition.

President Trump has shown he can be a statesman on the world stage. His desire for peace is admirable. But we sent him to be a warrior for our homes. For our borders. For our pocketbooks. We want the promise kept. We want America First. Not Israel first. Not Jewish donors first. America First.

The clock is ticking and the patience of the American people is not infinite.

We’ve had enough.

We’ve spent decades walking on eggshells. We’ve been lectured, scolded, and branded with scarlet letters for daring to question why a tiny, hostile minority holds such disproportionate sway over our nation’s destiny.

We are done caring about Jewish feelings. We are done prioritizing their anxieties over our survival. If wanting to put the American people first—our families, our future, our nation—makes us “antisemitic” in their eyes, then so be it. Let them call us what they want. We have a country to save.

They are two percent of the population. Two percent. Of that sliver, eight out of ten consistently vote for the very same Democrat politicians who want to dismantle our heritage, open our borders, and erase our history. They fund the media that demonizes us. They bankroll the NGOs that sue our towns to stop us from praying in school or defending our own streets. They are not our allies. They are a hostile elite, a compact minority using our own system against us.

We don’t need them.

They, however, desperately need us. They need our silent compliance. They need our politicians to remain slavishly devoted, forever genuflecting before their money and their influence. For too long, their priorities have been our policy. Their definition of “hate” has silenced our dissent. We funded our own cultural demise with taxes they deftly avoid. We sent our best to die in deserts for a border on the other side of the globe while our own was left undefended. We watched our industries ship out and our towns hollow out, all to feed the insatiable maw of a globalist machine they designed and from which they profit.

That era is over.

It’s time to put the 98% of the rest of us first. The quiet Americans who call this nation home and want to see it thrive for our children, not for a boardroom in Tel Aviv or a donor in Hollywood. It’s time to say: Our needs come first. Our security comes first. Our prosperity comes first.

This is the new litmus test. Any politician, any leader, any party that places the concerns of this foreign lobby and tiny minority over the needs of the American heartland is not just an enemy of the people, they are a traitor to the nation itself. Their career ends with us.

We will not be gaslit. We will not be shamed. Our loyalty is to our own. Our fight is for our own. The choice is finally clear: It’s us, or them.

And we choose us.

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab AI Inc
Christ Is King

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Making Plans for Nigel Dealing With the Populists. Part 4 - A National Policy Institute

 

Forwarded this email? Subscribe here for more Making Plans for Nigel Dealing With the Populists. Part 4 - A National Policy Institute Follow Nick on Substack Follow Nick on X How should nationalists respond to the ongoing surge in electoral populism? Answering this question is the first of the three primary tasks we must achieve in order for nationalist efforts to have a beneficial impact on the future of our people. My prior proposal (see link below) about ideological infiltration of parties like Reform and Advance is the core answer to this challenge. If you missed it first time around, do please read it after this piece. If you’ve already done so, or lack the time at present, the crux of that article is the potential for a concerted and sustained effort to inject nationalist principles and ideology into the structureless ideas vacuum in the brainless populist scarecrow. There is, howecver, a second part to this proposal, so I will address this here, before we move on in future posts to the more exciting and far more widely applicable potential for highly constructive community-building and parallel institutions. The sheer speed of the populist electoral advance - not just in Britain but in many other nations - means that these parties often come to power before they have even worked out any coherent plan for what to do with it. This is true at local as well as at national level. Their overtly Establishment rivals have decades of experience in government and opposition - positions which have netted them multi-million handouts of taxpayers’ money to fund policy development. The old parties of the left also have trade union research departments and a myriad of far-left fake charities working out policy proposals. They work closely with ‘progressive’ parties overseas, exchanging ideas not just on how to beat their opponments, but also on laws to pass to push forward their ‘revolution’. The old parties of the right, meanwhile, have close and very rewarding links to corporate-funded think-tanks. These specialise in developing policies to advance their own interests, and that of the financial and military-industrial complex conglomerates at the dark heart of global capitalism. These need at least a modicum of camouflage as being in the interest of middle and upper class voters, so their existence gives ‘conservative’ parties the illusion of policy competence. The populists have none of these advantages. Furthermore, since most of their ‘unity’ derives from being opposed to the policies of the different elite fig-leaf parties, it is difficult for them to develop plans which do not upset one wing or the othr of their very broad coalition of the disenchanted. This makes newly empowered populist parties somewhat like a young and inexperienced farm worker, who is suddenly given control of an entire arable farm and told to make it work. He has the land and the machinery, even the money, but he is desperately short on seeds and plans for bringing each crop to harvest. A Gap We Can Fill This is a gap which sensible, constructive and realistic nationalists should aim to help to fill. Not because we want these flaccid safety valve parties to succeed as organisations, not because we believe that they will “save the country”, but because there is the potential to make some things better for our people and the future than they otherwise would be. That would “realist” is very important here. There is a very strict limit to what policies it would be possible to “sell” to populist councillors or MPs, and to what they can conceivably put into effect. Thre is no point a group of enthusiastic nationalist policy-makers sitting down to work out a Grand Plan for Total Remigration, or the Honest Money Scheme for the Total Reform of the Banking System and the replacement of the private bank fiat currency scam. Our targets in this are populists, not national revolutionaries. They would never consider, or be allowed to attempt to implement, such genuine changes. That’s the whole point - both of them and of this proposal. Any effort put into idealistic, drastic proposals is just another version of the time-wasting ‘castles-in-the-air’ fantasies which bedevil the nationalist movement. Yet another manifestation of the tendency to confuse what we want in a non-existent world with what it is possible to achieve in real life. Perfectionism is the enemy of progress. Leave a comment What is needed is a group of intelligent, principled but pragmatic nationalists. They need to com from a broader movement, which provides them with access to like-minded individuals who have experience in the everyday running of important parts of our society - middle-ranking businessmen, health service workers with forty years experience on the front-line, recently retired military officers, housing association staff who’ve concealed their nationalism while they’ve seen it all. I’m sure you can think of good, normal, people with the knowledge and common sense to produce proposals to improve the way things are done in the fields they know about. National Policy Institute This National Policy Institute should not be overtly connected to a nationalist party. Its purpose is not to develop comprehensive pie-in-the-sky plans for a nationalist government, which will not exist for at least some decades. Its job is to work out practical, small step, politically popular and saleable (you may, if you wish, whisper ‘Fabian’) policies for populist legislators and parties to pick up and implement. Not to save the old world, but to help our people or to buy them time as they take small steps towrds getting through the slow-motion car crash of the doomed SNAFU shambles they still regard as ‘normality’. This will work far better if the populist lawmakers have no idea where these ideas come from. They are much more likely to be accepted if they appear to come from within their own ranks - which is another benefit from the ideological infiltration programme already discussed. That shouldn’t worry us. The aim of this operation is not to get cudos for the Institute or ourselves, but to put good legislative seeds and cultivation plans into the hands of populist administrations. While this essay is written in specifically British terms, the same gaps and opportunity exist to one extent or another in every country where populists - standing on the shoulders of genuine nationalist forerunners - have become a serious challenge to the old political elite. Above: Germany’s AfD has only been effective as a safety valve because it has involved huge numbers of new people. They are a fertile field in which to sow our ideas. We need to stop resenting their success, and start exploiting the situation instead. Here are just a few examples: Cut Funding for Leftist Papers A simple plan (nationalist software engineers might be able to help) to create a cheap, reliable onine recruitment site for populist-run councils to use to advertise to fill job vacancies. This to be rolled out in tandem with a ban on the use of council budgets to pay for advertising in legacy newspapers. This isn’t just aimed at the welfare state bureaucracy gravy-train which helps keep the loss-making Guardian afloat. Most of the local newspapers in major towns and cities were swallowed up by big publishing chains decades ago, with the Mirror Group being particulary powerful. These leftist paper have long operated a mutual support scam with big Labour councils: The papers attack their opponents, promote their agenda and help them win local elections. In turn, the councillors hand them huge chunks of taxpayers’ money to advertise jobs in their pages, as they were a hundred years before the Internet. This is all as unncessary as it is corrupt - sweep it away! Secure Our Right to Self-Help Every ethnic, religious and sexual minority in the country can set up charities and create and run institutions for the benefit of their own interest group - except for the ethnic British in general and the English in particular. Plus heterosexual males, of course. The entire Equality industry was created from the very start to put us at a huge disadvantage compared to all the other groups in our increasingly Balkanised society. This is so monstrously unfair, and divisive that, even if a future Reform government refuses to address it, a law to put things right would still be very achievable. An intelligent grass-roots campaign outside parliament, coupled with a well-worded Private Member’s’Bill put foward by Reform backbenchers, would be something which it would be too politically costly for Nigel and the others at the controlled top to resist. We will examine just how critical this reform is to future of our movement and people later in this series. This is here just to show how it is a seriously achievable goal. Support for Our Heritage As the demographic shift against the former majority population continues, and as the Boomers die off, all sorts of heritage sites which are at present maintained and run primarily by elderly volunteer labour are going to become increasingly untenable. Cast your mind back to the last time you enjoyed a visit to a castle or cathedral, think of the people manning canal or steam railway infrastructure, museums of industrial or rural life, etc, etc. Even the milksop, civic integrationists prattle on about how this heritage is vital for our ‘common British identity, blah, blah’, but it is all going to start to collapse and shut down as the demographic that keeps it going shrinks and dies off. A Bill to cut a percentage out of the deeply unpopular foreign aid budget, and to ring-fence it for the long-term support of heritage attractions, would be very popular. It would earn a populist administration political brownie points with a range of special interest group voters, while helping to preserve vital parts of our heritage. Self-Defence is No Offence On the back of an outrage such as the Huntingdon stabbings, an emergency Bill to give citizens with clean records the right to carry pepper spray, and to use it to defend themselves and other innocent people in th event of such attacks. This is a good example of the superiority of ‘possible’ over ‘principle’. In principle, I believe firmly in a First Amendment-style right of freeborn indigenous citizens to own, carry and to use them in self-defence against criminal scum - whether they are violent thugs or tyrants. Unfortunately, there is not the faintest possibility of such rights being secured this side of the coming Catastrophe. The right to carry pepper spray, by contrast, is an achievable goal - and one which would slightly increase the self-defence ability and chances of survival of decent people. To oppose such a reform would be political suicide, so provided the proposal was honed and ready to go, aready in Green Paper form, it woud stand a very good chance of becoming law. Achievable and Popular I am sure you can think of many more small, achievable and innately popular improvements which could be proposed and worked out in detail to help all sorts of people and campaigns in our national community: Homeless veterans, homeschoolers, volunteer organisations, opposition to intrusive surveillance, the defence of cash, genuine conservation causes, and so on. There is almost no limit to the areas which could be explored, and in which nationalist-inspired policy proposals could make a real difference. What Would It Take? What would this take in resource terms? As already indicated, it needs a dedicated team, with support and ecouragment from, and links to, a broader nationalist movement. I am reminded of the Media Monitoring Unit, which I set up for the BNP when John Tyndall first asked for my help in modernising the party. This was run by a small team of talented volunteers who I found already within the ranks, but whose talents had not until then been unleashed. Dr. Stuart Russell (aka Doc Edwards, later our National Press Officer) and the irrepressible Chris Green were the wonderful pair at the heart of this, but together we built a small network of volunteers around the country, They operated a telephone tree by which to alert each other to opportunities to get on radio talk shows and the like. Over several years, it made a noticeable difference to the tone of the national debate, particularly on immigration.Both of them are dead now, but they and their colleagues made a real difference to the rise of the BNP with their consistent and effective campaigns. Small teams with a mission can get things done. Message Nick Griffin It needs a small income to fund things such as an internal network for exchanging ideas and holding meetings and workshops. It needs a small management team to set targets and review progress. All volunteer-based organisations tend to lack the continuity and focus of bodies whose members are paid to do their jobs, but input and oversight - perhaps from people paying a small monthly due for the privilege of being allowed to submit comments on early proposals - and being answerable to the body providing the running subsidy will mitigate this problem. It would also need a ‘delivery system’ to get the proposals into the hands of the right people. Fortunately, there is no problem with this, provided the ideological infiltration programme receives the significant but very reasonable investment it requires, as set out below. As you will see, this is an initiative which is neither rocket science nor expensive. It simply requires effort - much of which is currently being expended in isolated, and all too often impractical, maximalistic grand schemes - to be directed, realistically and consistently, into producing and polishing practical ideas. To put, quite simply, some nationalist brain cells into the empty head of the populist scarecrow. I am not writing this series out of academic interest. If existing nationalist bodies refuse to pick these ideas up and run with them, then WE need to do the job. To receive new posts and support this vital work, please consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. NOW! Upgrade to paid What Can We Take From the Populists? Nick Griffin · Oct 21 The populist challenge is so grave - and so full of potential for genuine nationalists to exploit, that I make no apology for setting it out in several separate Substack essays. I know that many readers have only a limited amount of time in their busy days to consider these things, so I’m breaking them up for you. Here is the latest bite! Read full story

 

Christian Nationalists Are Ascendant

• Andrew Torba
• November 5, 2025

The political landscape has irrevocably shifted. The era of whispering in corners and begging for scraps at the table of power is over. They can no longer afford to ignore us because we are no longer a dissident fringe. We are the swelling tide. For years we endured their mockery, their deplatforming, and their smears. We built our own platforms, our own communities, our own parallel systems, all while laboring in the political wilderness. That season of sowing is done.

The harvest is now.

When I co-authored Christian Nationalism: A Biblical Guide for Taking Dominion and Discipling Nations in 2022, I wrote that our goal was to “build a parallel Christian society, economy, and infrastructure which will fill the vacuum of the failed secular state when it falls.” At the time, many dismissed that vision as impossible or extreme. They couldn’t see what was coming. But we could. We saw the collapse of the old order—the corruption of every institution, the decay of every moral foundation—and we understood that our task was not to reform it, but to replace it.

They ostracized us from their world. They mocked us, banned us, and told us we’d never survive without their platforms, their media outlets, and their systems. So we built our own. What began as a scattered remnant has become a thriving parallel movement that rooted in truth, faith, and family. We’ve endured every attack they could throw at us, and in doing so, we’ve grown stronger, more resilient, and more united.

Now these two worlds are colliding. Theirs is a world of lies, confusion, and decay. Ours is a world of order, beauty, and truth. The cracks in their foundation are widening by the day, and the light of our world is breaking through the darkness of theirs.

Only one will be left standing, and it won’t be the one built on sand.

Our book was a blueprint for the moment we are living in right now. Three years later, everything we wrote about is unfolding before our eyes. The institutions of the regime—legacy media, universities, corporate boardrooms—are hollowed-out shells of their former power. They believed their control was permanent. They believed they could shame us into silence or bury us under their lies. Instead, their relentless persecution forged us into something stronger. We were refined by fire, tempered by struggle, and filled with a purpose that no amount of propaganda could destroy.

The Christian Nationalist movement is not merely a voting bloc. We are a spiritual and cultural force that cannot be contained. We are the reawakening of a nation’s soul. We understand that survival is not possible without sovereignty, and sovereignty is meaningless without a people to embody it. We have remembered what our ancestors knew: a nation is not just lines on a map or abstract ideas on parchment. A nation is a family bound by blood, faith, and a shared destiny. America is our home, and it belongs to us.

In 2022, we wrote that “Christians are not revolutionaries; we are reformers. We do not destroy things, we build and create them, mirroring our Creator.” That spirit of construction, of faith-driven defiance, defines this new era. This is no longer an idea, it’s reality. Across America and the West, Christian families are reclaiming education through homeschooling and classical academies. Entrepreneurs are building parallel businesses that honor faith and reject globalism. Artists, authors, and builders are creating beauty, culture, and meaning that stand in stark contrast to the nihilism of the modern world. This is what we meant when we said that dissent is not enough: we must build.

Our opponents are discovering too late that they own nothing but a dying present. Their ideology is sterile, soulless, and fruitless. They worship consumption, they celebrate decay, and they fear creation. We, on the other hand, are fruitful. We are having children, raising families, planting churches, and building businesses. We are creating something that will endure for generations. The momentum, the vitality, the future are all on our side.

This is a movement of men and women who have chosen to take dominion and steward what has been entrusted to them. It is the fulfillment of the Great Commission in our time: to disciple nations, not just individuals; to make every institution, every culture, every square inch of this earth reflect the glory of God.

The illusion of respectability politics is dead. The time for apology is past. Too many still believe that if they frame their arguments gently, adhere to “nuanced” positions, and avoid giving offense, the enemies of Christ will listen. They won’t. They never have. Their respect cannot be earned because they despise what we represent: the unyielding truth of God’s order. They seek our silence, our erasure, our submission. The only appropriate answer is bold defiance and faithful obedience.

War—whether cultural, spiritual, or political—is not won by appeasement. It is won by conviction. When your enemy seeks your eradication, your priority cannot be earning their approval. It must be ensuring your people’s future. That means standing firm in the truth, even when it costs you everything. It means building, discipling, multiplying, and never compromising the Gospel for the sake of worldly peace. Now is not the time for nuance, it is the time to double down.

This is the great work of our age. The re-Christianization of the West will not come through politics alone, but through the rebuilding of the moral and spiritual foundations of our civilization. It will come through Christian fathers and mothers who raise their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. It will come through builders who reject corruption and create institutions rooted in truth. It will come through pastors who preach with courage and refuse to bend to the world.

The harvest is plentiful. The workers are few, but we are enough. We are the ones who will labor in the fields until the land is reclaimed and restored. We are the ones who will see the seeds sown in 2022 blossom into a nation renewed by faith and bound by divine purpose.

We will not stop. We cannot be bargained with.

The future belongs to us.

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab AI Inc
Christ is King