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Sunday, 9 July 2017

Michael Hoffman - Usury in Christendom .And its threat to the west


Meet the Real Deal: Michael Hoffman on ‘Usury in Christendom’

January 17, 2013

Michael Hoffman is undoubtedly one of the leading thinkers on the Money Power. His analysis of Talmudic, Rabbinical thinking is brilliant. To see him now come out with all guns blazing against Usury is really very good news for all anti-Usury activists out there.

Hoffman does not mince words, is a formidable academic, is keenly aware of both the Jewish aspect of the Money Power and how it destroyed Catholicism and the papacy and does not fear stating God’s case short and simple as it is. In short: he’s our man.

His site is ‘On the Contrary’ at revisionistreview.blogspot.com and his latest book is called ‘Usury in Christendom’ and is a virulent attack against Usury, the Money Power and ‘Christians’ going along. He is forceful, scathing, to the point and incredibly well informed. Below you’ll find a short presentation by him on his latest book, including a transcription of his most vital points.

But I certainly want to highlight this familiar point that Hoffman makes: ‘…freedom from interest on money, is essentially the battle for freedom from the Money Power’. This is the key message. The Money Power rules through control of the money supply and its main tool of domination is Usury.

All the pundits out there that ‘valiantly battle the NWO’, but either ignore or deny this are just fools or worse. This is one of those lithmus tests that immediately show you who know and who don’t.

Since Hoffman, in the video below, doesn’t mind taking a direct shot at Thomas Woods and the von Mises institute, I’ll also add this: exposing Usury and Usurers for what they are in itself is a pleasant task when it comes to people like Bernanke, Rothschild, Trichet and the like. Everybody hates them.

But since the ‘Alternative Media’ is dominated by Libertarians, we have shown discomfort in being associated with them too and this has not always generated the same kind of sympathy as when we play a little with the bankers themselves.

But if you consider the truth as so powerfully put forward by Hoffman in his book, and you compare this to what Gary North has to say about interest and Christians, clearly something big is going on.

Here’s how Gary North summarizes his findings on usury in the Bible in his massive 20 volume ‘Economic Commentary on the Bible’
“I have good news and bad news. It is OK to deposit money in the bank and earn interest. That’s the good news. It is unwise to borrow money to buy anything but investments and to meet emergencies. That is bad news for most Christians.”

So Gary North simply says you can rape your brethren with usury, but you are sinning if you are allowing yourself to be raped.

This is the typical, purely satanic great turn around. Blaming the victim and whitewashing Usurious Usurpation.

It is not important that Thomas Woods is a nice guy. It is not important that Gary North’s ‘grumpy old man’ persona is really funny.

What is important is that these men are consciously lying from highly paid positions, and not only about usury. They are usurers, liars, hypocrites, thieves and enabling murder, just like the idiots of the Mainstream. They are our enemies. And yes, when we aim to serve Christ we must love our enemies. But love comes in two kinds: soft love and tough love. Tough love is when you discipline your child when it is damaging stuff or endangering himself or others. Here’s some tough love by Jesus, when dealing with the Pharisees (Matthew 23):
 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Is it reasonable to quote this in a ‘normal, rational debate about economics’? It is very reasonable. Economics has been hijacked by Money Power agents of many persuasions, and they have turned it into a soulless pseudoscience dealing with scarcity. But it is in fact the simple, yet sacred, science of tapping into God’s abundance by sharing it equitably. And Usury is not part of that plan.

I’m not one to say ‘the Bible is the word of God and that’s the end of it’. The Word is the Logos and the Logos is within us all. Or better: we are all within the Logos. The Logos has different words for the same things in different eras for different people and the 21st century needs its own paradigms describing equitable sharing, just as we no longer are satisfied with Genesis 1 to explain the creation of the Universe.

But the simple truths when it comes to economics are still the same as back then in Jesus’ time, and it’s a sacred science, that’s why the Bible and other holy books talk so much about it. They all condemn Usury as a mortal sin. People, ‘economists’, explaining Usury is grand are heretics keeping people from the path. When they parade as Christians, they must be exposed. Just as when we patiently, yet vehemently, oppose their false ‘theories’ explaining how Usury benefits everybody in the long run.

Conclusion
We’ll have to stick to tough love. People keeping the Kingdom from us by explaining us that theft through Usury is no longer theft are both heretics and pseudo scientists.

I, for one, am relieved to find myself in the camp of such a powerful Christian, philosopher, historian, theologian and economist as Michael Hoffman.

Related:
Debunking Tom Woods’ “Catholic” Austrian economics
What Gary North is not telling you about Interest

Here’s a short presentation by him on his main points:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jT0grvk16NI]

And here are just a few of his points transcribed for those who hate looking at a 33 min video when it can be read in two (although you’d miss his very powerful presentation):

Cicero equated usury with murder.

Usury is interest on money, not ‘excessive interest’, which is the modern Orwellian Newspeak for Usury, but interest on money as it was always defined, until the Money Power got in control and then falsified it.

Interest on money was condemned as a mortal sin. It was put on a level at least as theft and sometimes compared with murder. And this was the consistent opinion of the church for at least the first millennium.

What we’re dealing with here is gradualism. There is no way the Money Power could have come in a truly revolutionary manner, at least until it captured the papacy. Once it captured the papacy, then you began to see the footprints of the revolution…..And then you came at the papacy of Leo X, the first of the Medici popes, and only then did you see this revolutionary gnawing away at Usury laws.

Nowadays you have these so-called ‘Catholic libertarians’ like Thomas Woods who openly say Usury isn’t a sin.

This redefinition of Usury as ‘excessive interest’ is necessary for our modern mentality, which is immersed in money-getting, and in greed, it’s a part of all of our lives, it’s woven into our corrupt society, it’s the root of all evil, and we can’t even conceive of a society that says ‘interest on money’, the breeding of money from money, is a mortal sin that will damn your soul to perdition.

Jesus said in Luke 6:35 to lend freely, expecting nothing in return.

The exception in the Old Testament (on Usury prohibition) is because interest on money is so destructive, so damaging, so predatory, that God said you can use it against His enemies.

If we are deceiving ourselves, it is because we need to deceive ourselves. It’s because our lively-hoods depend on interest on money. Or because we believe greed is a lesser sin than lust.

……when we are conspiring with priests, and preachers and ministers and popes in deluding ourselves into believing that there is some greater evil than the Money Power. If there is a greater evil than the Money Power, than the Bible is lying.

To say that the Money Power is at the very top of the evils that we need to work against basically overwhelms people. They want something else to fight.

Christians would be flabbergasted if there was a whorehouse for them down the street, but if there is a whorehouse called a bank, they are not only not flabbergasted, they are probably working there!

And then they are going in as social justice people who are concerned for the poor they are going to go along and palliate the wounds of those people who have been injured by interest on debt. There is a satanic level of mockery there. It is satanic ridiculing of us. Because Jesus intended that we would be overcomers here, that we would be a light unto the world. Instead we make a mockery of the Gospel by these shortcuts that we take….The inability to have faith in God.

And to proceed as we have proceeded (by allowing Usury) , is to reject Grace, not only do we reject the Law, we also reject Grace. Meanwhile, we’re playing the part of hypocrites, we say ‘we’re Christians, we’re Catholics, we’re the reforms, we’re the evangelicals! Come to us world and learn a new way of being’. A new way of being that is based on Compound Interest???

How many Catholics follow the Von Mises institute? How many Catholics follow Ayn Rand?

We reject the weaponization of the love of money as it is represented by interest on loans of money(!!!!!!)

Tuesday, 4 July 2017

Adolf Hitler's Economic Reform Against the Private central Banksters




Under Hitler, the strategy for recovery was largely the work of his economics minister, Gottfried Feder. The NSDAP leadership looked upon the charging of interest on loans as immoral and by forcing banks to abolish the practice of usury millions were freed from slavery of debt. 


"The world financial monopoly stood aghast. If Germany succeeded  in her plan of economic penetration, other nations might follow per example. The whole world would then exchange goods for goods  in a basis of equality and good fellowship. No one would want to  borrow and the financial pyramid of debt, from the apex of which  almighty Finance ruled the world, would collapse. Humanity would be well fed, but the financiers would lose their power. (Federal Reserve) 

Under Hitler, the strategy for recovery was largely the work of his economics minister, Hjalmar Schacht, a conservative willing to ignore free market liberalism. Schacht told a US journalist he was going to correct the excesses of capitalism and create a more stable economic system. He forbade the sending of money out of Germany. He reduced foreign trade largely to barter agreements and put strict limits on imports – all to keep wealth within the country. Under Schacht, private industry was compelled to reinvest its profits in manufacturing approved by the state. And crucial to Germany's recovery was government spending, much of it on public works, the most visible of which was a new highway system – the autobahn – which the army wanted for more efficient movements within Germany. 

*As in peace, so in war. Humanity must be sacrificed to save a worthless economic system.*

"Once again the peoples were told that if they destroyed the leader of the German nation all would be well with the world. Germany worshiped its leader. Britain trusted its Government. Both peoples believed their leaders would save the world. It was a  tragedy of faith in men. One nation has to fight for a new economic and political system the other to preserve the old ones." 

Source: AMERICAN MANIFEST DESTINY AND THE HOLOCAUSTS, BY CONRAD GRIEB (Liberty Bell, 1978), pp 233-236

Today the bankers reign supreme. The European Union with its commissars in Brussels and its so called “European” Central Bank headquartered in Frankfurt, increasingly resembles the old Soviet Union. However, with the recent ongoing “sovereign” debt crisis and the collapse of the Euro, the plan for a united Europe anchored in perpetual debt enslavement has received a major setback and has indeed started to disintegrate. Not withstanding the inability of Adolf Hitler to permanently liberate Europe, it behooves us to appreciate that what he achieved was not done in vain. It is incumbent on us to learn and understand the fundamentals of usury and to spread that knowledge relentlessly, until our material and spiritual liberties have been restored.

How can a government pay debts? The only way a government can pay debts is by taking the money from the people, in this case, many of whom obviously had nothing to do with events that took place 90 years ago. When a government takes on debt due to the corruption and crimes of those in power, it essentially enslaves the people - the entire nation is forced to pay for the debts and crimes of the corrupt few in power. In a free country, labor is never taxed, because labor is the sole possession of the person that produced it. Debt is used by bankers to enslave the world using counterfeit paper or digital money, which they print or type up out of thin air, yet expect people to work hard and pay back at interest.

Another fraudulent system that bankers use to create money out of nothing is a Ponzi Scheme called Fractional Reserve Banking. This is when banks lend out more money than they actually have, only keeping a fraction in reserve, and then charge everyone interest for it all as if it all actually existed. The reason all the money usually ends up with bankers, whom then in turn bribe politicians and use the media for propaganda, is because they are earning interest off money that never existed. They are counterfeiting and committing fraud.

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Sunday, 21 May 2017

Douglas Murray Immigration Will End Great Britain

Theresa May and its cheerleaders in the billionaire-owned press continue their illogical, ignorant and deluded promises

From a Comment in the Guardian

Yet as the government of Theresa May and its cheerleaders in the billionaire-owned press continue their illogical, ignorant and deluded promises and accusations over Brexit, it is time for Europeans to reconsider this idea of the British – or, to be more accurate, of the English.
Agreed. Just when you thought that there's no further depths of stupidity for the UK to sink to, that we've finally reached peak stupid, a whole new vista of stupid yawns open.
The UK inexplicably voted to inflict serious harm on ourselves, and to inflict collateral damage on our closest allies. Now we’re simply amazed that the EU doesn’t just want to roll over and let us do what we want. But…but…we’re Britain! Don’t they know that? Why are they so vindictive? Why are they picking on us?
We choose Theresa May, the most awkward, stilted, charmless politician in recorded history to negotiate on our behalf. She predictably humiliates herself, and the UK, and then we blame the European press for pointing it out. Our own press foams at the mouth, spitting venom every day, but we expect the European press to be impartial. Why?
We disregard all logic and economic expertise, and make a stupid political decision to Brexit. Now we’re astounded that the EU are also prioritising political imperatives over economic ones, by making it difficult for us. Why do we expect completely different standards from the EU than we apply to ourselves?
There seems to be very little awareness in the UK, and definitely not from the government, that we’re the ones doing all this. The EU are just reacting, logically and predictably, to protect their own interests against our senseless, mindless, stupid actions. They’re not doing anything to us. We’re not victims here.
What’s happening now is what was always predicted, by everyone who knows anything about these things: the ridiculous fantasies of the Brexit campaign are coming into contact with reality, like a cruise liner grinding into an iceberg. And the magic beans salesmen who brought us here are busy blaming the EU for the mess they created.

Friday, 10 March 2017

Common Law and Freedom From Goddess Corporate Government



The ugly Afghanistan War Memorial says lot, and is another sign that we really must begin to consider our position and do something about it. Here I show you the link between the symbolism of the Global Corporate Entity and Us.


Here is the article I refer to about 'berth canals' - https://exodus200.wordpress.com/step-...

Websites:
http://www.commonlawnationsalliance.com/
http://davidcammegh.com/
http://www.endagenda21.com/

Wednesday, 8 March 2017

Hugo Salinas Price- Apocalypse Is Upon Us



Could a Fed rate hike start the bond market to liquidate? Mexican billionaire and retail magnate Hugo Salinas Price contends, “Apocalypse is upon us . . . this boom in stocks is about to collapse. The total debt when Reagan came into office was $391 billion. Now, it’s $20 trillion. Something has got to give. When interest rates start to go up, as they might on March 15th, we are going to see liquidation. People are going to say bonds are falling in value because interest rates are going up, I think I want to sell my bonds. . . . I also think the stock market is going to collapse, a big collapse is coming. I also think gold is being hammered in preparation for what’s going to happen. I think it has been taken down, so, when it starts to go up, it will go up from a lower level.”


So, will we get hyperinflation? Salinas Price says, “I don’t know if it’s going to happen right now, but something is going to happen with this huge amount of debt. It just can’t go on, and how is it going to end? It’s going to end badly. A lot of wealth is going to disappear. . . . I think, in the U.S. on March 15th, all hell is going to break loose because the U.S. will reach its debt limit.”

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with billionaire financial expert Hugo Salinas Price.

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Friday, 10 February 2017

He Will Not Divide Us HWNDU SHUT DOWN Liberalism Dying



By Julius Maltby

10 Feb 2017
Earlier today, the He Will Not Divide Us #HWNDU #Hewillnotdivideus Live Web cam installed on the Museum of the Moving Image was shut down. Progressive Liberal Globalists are losing on all fronts. Their violence and vitriol is the manifestation of their impending defeat. KEEP UP THE MOMENTUM. DO NOT ABATE, DIMINISH OR RELENT YOUR EFFORTS. Drive these SJW's, Feminists, Man Haters, Christian Haters, Heterosexual Haters, Traditional Family Haters, Gun Haters, Rural America Haters, Catholic Haters, Worker Haters, Western Civilization Haters from the land. Drive them before us. In a cultural war their can only be ONE VICTOR. In order to have a victor, the enemy has to be utterly and totally defeated. EXPUNGE LIBERALISM. EXTINGUISH IT. The bulwarks of the liberal globalists have been breached. Now they need to be violently driven from any halls of power, humiliated and destroyed. They have shown that they will never tolerate anyone not like-minded, thus it is completely acceptable that we no longer tolerate or accept them in our midst. They are the minority and they will soon be the silent minority. The vitriolic attacks, violent riots and protests after a legitimate election in a free democracy accompanied with the burning of US flags and civil unrest is disgusting. This country is a fighting couple that just needs to get a divorce finalized. Dear Liberals, you are my ideological enemy forever. You refuse to fight for my rights, therefore I will never fight for yours. You are on your own. The problem is this - the red on the map is where food comes from, the red on the map is where your soldiers are raised, the red on the map is where mechanics, manufacturers, industry and even doctors come from. While you sit and study liberal arts, we build, construct, produce and work. You do nothing. Your occupations, your idle time, your thoughts and conversations are all meaningless and useless. The nation does not benefit from you. You are a disease, a pox upon the land. Be gone.

What is a Liberal? - A liberal/progressive is a self hating, anti western civilization, socialist, that is intolerant of any ideology outside of their own. They HATE white men, Christianity, Firearms, monogamous heterosexuals, English Common Law, sound money, and successful people. Typical Liberals are profoundly arrogant, pretentious and of an entitled demeanor. Often they are violent agitators of civil unrest, promoters of racial division, and violent illogical protests that they themselves do not understand. The Liberal suffers from a very low birth rate do to their inclination for abortion, high rates of birth control, and homosexual relationships - all resulting in a requirement to adopt or spread their ideology through perpetual indoctrination via the media or institutional education. Ultimately we foresee them going extinct, it just may take some time and a dose of violence.

I am much more a Libertarian than a "republitard". I consider myself a political atheist, not subscribing to either party. Even volunteerism is superior to our way of government now. The problem is, I do not agree that there is as much, "injustice" the main stream narrative suggests. What rights exactly do women NOT have here in America? They have if anything MORE rights then men. They have the RIGHT to not become property of the state and forced into the draft (they are exempt whereas at 18 as a male I was forced to register as a combatant for the state). Women are benefited by affirmative action, where they achieve preferential treatment in tests, and promotions and hiring by many institutions and agencies as well as accepted into colleges. Same goes for race. Seriously? Still pulling race cards, after 8 years of an African American president? After all the celebrities, highly paid sports athletes, doctors, lawyers, and so on, who happen to be of diverse racial background. Stop trying to fan the flames of hate and race contention like CNN wants you to. I am not looking to the 19th century as a goal - I am looking for a world where the progressive liberals and liberal globalists stop forcing their ideology and world view on those who want none of it. The progressive liberals are like fundamentalist evangelicals or the protestants of old, forcing their beliefs on different cultures and people groups. Leave people alone. If I chose not to agree that a man can suddenly "identify" as a women and that is it, he can now use a women restroom, that is my right to believe and ENFORCE in my business or institution. If I do not want my child adopted by homosexuals, THAT IS MY RIGHT. Liberalism is a caustic ideology that dilutes cultures, assaults traditional family values, violently exterminates resistance to conformity (Bolsheviks, Jacobins), and wishes to wield the monopoly of force via the state to crush any who do not yield. I will fight liberalism until my dying breath.

Wednesday, 8 February 2017

If the government have ever calculated the economic cost of migrants/refugees


By M Baska

I wonder if the government have ever calculated the economic cost of migrants/refugees and benifit cheats remitting funds from the UK to other countries which varies per destination country.Migrants in the UK send money home using several channels. These include family and friends returning home, money transfers operators (MTOs) such as Western Union and MoneyGram, banks and informal hawala brokers The hawala method of transferring money is informal and it is very difficult to trace most of these flows using official government records.It is very difficult to collect data on the cost of remitting on the informal remittance market. However, the World Bank database on the cost of sending money through formal channels suggests that remitting from the UK using Western Union and MoneyGram is more expensive for those sending money to Poland in comparison with other major migrant sending countries to the UK. Sending GBP 120 to Poland costs GBP 10.33 using Western Union, while the same amount sent to India only costs GBP 8.50, this estimates is for November 2015.
However, differences between the costs of remitting to the five obvious destinations.
Estimated amounts of remittances sent from the UK in 2014 vary widely from £1.5 billion to £16.5 billion.
However, all main data sources agree that the UK is one of the top-10 remittances sending countries in the world.The UK accounts for 15% of remittances to Pakistan.
The cost of remitting from the UK varies per destination country and transfer method. The major money transfer operators (e.g. Western Union, MoneyGram) typically charge from 7 to 11% of the total amount remitted.
There is little information on the characteristics of remitters in the UK, including characteristics such as income levels and welfare programme participation. Some studies suggest that there are ethnic differences in remittance behaviour in the UK.

Tuesday, 7 February 2017

Ian Millard - 'The Zionist Assault on freedom of Expression in England'

We slave under a ruthless Orwellian tyranny.  And the tyranny is killing us off.  Killing us off spiritually and biologically, killing us off as a culture, as a nation, as a people, as a race.  All those who oppose this tyranny and its agenda are hunted down, hounded, persecuted and destroyed.  No one is allowed to express an opinion of which the tyranny does not approve.  It doesn’t matter how wealthy you are, how influential you are or what you do for living.  If you reveal yourself as being opposed to the regime’s agenda, you reveal yourself as an enemy of the regime.  No one is safe, not even lawyers.  Sylvia Stolz was imprisoned in Germany for defending her client too zealously, yes, for her client was accused of a thought crime and such crimes are deemed the worst of crimes by our worst of rulers and our rulers are the worst of rulers. Ian Millard was a British barrister who was struck off from his profession and can no longer practise, and all for holding political views of which the regime did not approve.  There is no placating such a tyranny.  The only thing to do is to fight it.  For once they have taken away our means of earning a livelihood, once they have demonized us, ostracised us, destroyed our capacity to create and maintain families, then, we have nothing left to lose. The most dangerous creation of any society is a man with nothing left to lose.  And this society is creating an awful lot of men with nothing left to lose and that is why this society - this regime - is doomed.

Saturday, 4 February 2017

A SMALL ESSAY; FREE, TOLERANT, IMPARTIAL, EQUAL SOCIETY ?

By Neil Whitelam

A SMALL ESSAY; Think about one word , one act that seems to have gone away.. 'discrimination' !Very rarely do we read about whites discriminating against non whites.Yes we used to read about it decades ago but its very uncommon today.What we do read about is white racism or alleged racism against non whites. This does not indicate to me that people have become racist, it indicates to me that people have become intolerant of all the 'race card playing' ' positive discrimination' ' affirmative action' ' forced diversification' the ' special preferential treatment' been dished out to non whites. One would ask why they need all the aforementioned if we do indeed live in an equal society ? Perhaps the aforementioned is proof we don't !!!!.Racism is a 'knee jerk' reaction to UNFAIRNESS a means of protest. But its not true racism I.e hate fuelled , like I said its a protest. ( however hate is a product of sustained unfairness).What I witness in the media is that the tables have changed, what we have now is a frame of mind, an attitude, a trend, a permission slip for non whites and the PC media to use all 'aforementioned' to whip us into place and corral us were our man dare not jump out of the corral for fear of been branded racist.  We have become a race of fearful, compliant zombies scared of our own shadows. Enoch Powell was right when he said the 'black man will have the whip hand over the white man' Yes a whip that the black man did not obtain himself but was rather handed by an over tolerant , empathic, sympathetic British people who believed in fair play.'Give them an inch and they took a mile' is a perfect way to describe the situation.But let us talk of alleged racist words like P-ki, Nig-er, C-on, Chi-k ... yes I had to abbreviate because the thought police will act !!!!We British have always used abbreviated slang words like the aforementioned to describe people, we even apply this slang towards our own like Taff, Geordie, paddy, cockney, jimmy, jock, yellow belly, brummy, scouser. the list is endless, we also apply it to people from other countries Frog, Spick, Dago, Kraut, Jap, scrob, The word N-gger or Nigga has now established itself in the English language, who established it ? not us whites but the blacks themselves, through their open use of it towards themselves on the street, in film and in music. Even white kids call themselves N-gga because in black culture it means homie or friend. I remember an American who once said to me that' N-ggers come in all colours' and if you read history they do- wiki states ' For reasons common to the slave condition all slave classes ( WHITE AND NON WHITE ) displayed a lack of industrial initiative and produced the famous Lazy Nigger, who under Russian serfdom and elsewhere was white. Just as not all blacks, even under the most degrading forms of slavery, consented to become niggers, so by no means all or even most of the niggers in history have been black........describes how many white residents of the Old Colony Housing Project in South Boston used this meaning to degrade the people considered to be of lower status, whether white or black. As you can see non whites do not have a monopoly on the word N-gger.Never the less in todays society it is accepted only non whites can call non whites N-gger whether as a compliment or insult.Now is this a FREE, TOLERANT, IMPARTIAL, EQUAL SOCIETY ?